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Does accounting add value to British business?
Participants: Representing the prosecution: Representing the defence:
Outline transcript of proceedings Case for the prosecution

Case for the defence

Neil Wilson's evidence

Summing up

Participants:

Judge: Kevin Bampton KB
Clerk to the court: Fiona Church FC

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Representing the prosecution:

Professor Richard Wilson - Loughborough University Business School RW
Steven Boxall - Boxall, Jones and Company SB
Andrew Hopkin - Assistant Director of Environmental Services,
Derby City Council AH
Bill Murphy - The Derbyshire Business School WM

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Ian Herbert - The Derbyshire Business School IH
Neil Gray - Managing Partner, Pannell Kerr Forster (Nott'm) NG
George Tansely - Acting Chief Executive of Business Link
Southern Derbyshire GT
Neil Wilson - Interfleet Technology Ltd. NW
Andy Bell - Corporate Business Manager - National
Westminster Bank plc AB

Outline transcript of proceedings

KB Declares the court in session and explains the charge to be answered, in the context of instructions to the jury.


KB Explains the unusual circumstances of the situation (including time constraints, nature of the tribunal and nature of the defendant)

Not a court of law, but a tribunal of fact. The standard of proof for the 'prosecution' is not a question of proving beyond reasonable doubt'. Evidence not under oath, but jury can make their own minds about the qualifications and weight to be attributed to speakers.

Nonetheless the judge will seek to maintain the order and dignity of the occasion.

Role of jury and clerk (FC) explained in the context of the tribunal. Jury advised that they may pass paper questions to the bench to be addressed to witnesses if it assists the proceedings.

The role of the clerk will be to prompt witnesses and advise the tribunal where necessary.

In summary, the closest proceeding to the current matter is an inquest. To this end, the jury should address themselves to the following to issues:

1. That the accounting profession no longer adequately serves or adds significant value to modern British business; and

2. That any value added to British business is 'paper value', added by accountants and quantified by that profession.

In essence therefore this is an inquest to determine whether British accounting is terminally moribund.

The verdicts that the jury should consider are the following:

Misadventure - that British business practise and demands have changed so far that British accounting itself no longer plays a significant role in adding value.

Malfeasance - that through complacency or its own actions and omissions (including failure to adapt) accounting and accountants have lost touch with their constituency.

Open verdict - that the charges are ill founded, not proven or indeed that accounting is, by and large, alive and well and adding genuine value to British business.

The jury will be invited to give reasons for their decision.

During the course of the proceedings the judge will interject with questions or clarifications where it will expedite or assist the jury in its deliberations.

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Case for the prosecution

FC Asks the prosecution to outline their case - calling on RW to outline his qualification to present the charge.


RW Outlines the nature of the prosecution's case against accounting


- explains the difference between 'accounting', and 'finance'.


- suggests that the UK's lowly position in international 'wealth league' is due to large numbers of accountants who don't add value. (Hayes & Abernathy; Johnson & Kaplan)


- problem of left hand versus right hand companies (Doyle; Wilson).


- highlights the inappropriate orientation of accountants which reflects partiality in two respects: retrospective introspection (MBTI), and organisations as seen via AIS filter.


- indicates the technical preoccupation of accountants with irrelevant conventions (including resistance to change - e.g. intangible assets, SMA; limiting bases of AIS design - e.g. need for balanced scorecard approach; constraints provided by rigid systems - e.g. need to go 'beyond budgeting'.


- the interests of users need to be facilitated via enhanced financial literacy rather than simply suiting the convenience of compilers of financial reports.

Steven Boxall - Boxall, Jones and Company, Chartered Surveyors

FC Asks for clarification of a couple of points then asks SB to speak about his experience of the orientation of accountants and the impact this has on his role as a user of accounting information.

SB Responds saying that accountants are preoccupied with their own introspective outlook and jargon. They do not understand or attempt to understand business people and business problems.

Andrew Hopkin - Assistant Director of Environmental Services, Derby City Council

FC asks AH to speak about the technical preoccupation of accountants and their resistance to change (e.g. to embrace environmental reporting).

AH explains how the technical preoccupation of accountants inhibits developments in organisations facing significant change.

Bill Murphy - The Derbyshire Business School

FC asks WM to talk about issues relating to financial literacy.

WM explains the difference between financial awareness and financial literacy, indicating how accountants need to relate more to the needs of users of financial reports.

FC asks RW to briefly conclude the evidence

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Case for the defence

FC Asks the defence to outline their case - calling on IH to outline his qualification to defend the charge.

IH Outlines the nature of the defence's case of accounting


- explains the difference between 'management accounting', 'financial accounting' and regulatory driven auditing. (within David Allen's past/future, insiders/outsiders model)


- suggests that the rise in numbers of accountants is correlated to the rise in GDP


- dismisses RW's suggestion that the UK's lowly position in Wealth league is due large numbers of accountants and suggests that America (near the top) has a similar structure.


- explains the importance of accounting to the efficient operation of capital markets


- explains how accounting is central to stewardship of the business through analysis, planning and control


- explains how accounting informs decision making, leading to economy, efficiency and effectiveness. Briefly describes hard and soft accounting techniques.


- explains how the role of accounting is moving from the technostructure to a support function and how it underpins the separate but linked concepts of knowledge management and the learning organisation. (noun and verb) demonstrates the importance
of both by referring to the valuation of companies such as Experian (£4bn - 4.10.99)


- explains how accountants need to service the needs of different stakeholder groups and this gives rise to a certain amount of role conflict.

Concludes that creative tendencies are stymied by directors who want accountants to act as the financial conscience of business and play devil's advocate to other people's suggestions.

for full text of IH's case for the defence click here to go to court summary

Neil Gray - Managing Partner Panell, Kerr Foster Chartered Accountants

FC Asks for clarification of a couple of points then asks NG to speak about financial regulations, auditing, consultancy and developments in training accountants.

NG explains about financial regulations, auditing, consultancy and developments in the profession as per the ICAEW report Chartered Accountants in 2005.

 

George Tansley - Chief Executive of Business Link Southern Derbyshire

FC asks GT to explain to speak about the value of accountants to smaller companies i.e. those without recourse to capital markets.

GT explains the value of accounting to the development of smaller companies i.e. those without recourse to capital markets. He will assert that while it may be difficult to prove the value of accounting directly to companies, as a member of the community of business advisors he sees a strong link between companies that make use of accounting and those companies that survive and prosper. He will assert that from his own experience a common cause of business failure is lack of financial analysis, planning and control.

Neil Wilson - Operations Director, Interfleet technology Ltd Railway Consultants

FC asks NW to talk about his experiences as a manager using the output of the accounting function at Interfleet. She asks him to briefly describe Interfleet's business and identify their criteria for strategic success.

NW - explains how Interfleet was a part of a nationalised industry and the changes that privatisation has brought about. Interfleet is a technical engineering consultancy whose main source of revenue is the recharge of staff time involved on a variety of tasks for infrastructure, rolling stock and transport management systems.

Criteria for success involves:

a) the long-term optimisation of profit based upon;
continual investment in training, research and development,
customer relationships,
teamwork, and
management of the company's knowledge base.

b) on a day-to-day basis Interfleet's product is time, a perishable commodity - time cannot be stock piled and sold in the next period - accurate, real time data, is needed to manage what in many ways is a virtual organisation spread wherever there are railway lines.

FC Asks NW how he sees the process of accounting

NW suggests that, as an engineer, accountancy is really a feedback and control system. He explains this further through the analogy of a car journey.
* IH references back to this in summing up with the 3 time horizons of accounting.

- importance of feedback, accurate data, looking ahead, making adjustments.

FC What value do you see in accountants?

NW Firstly, as a company director, they ensure that I comply with all the statutory duties of my office. People forget that if the company does not comply fully with all the regulations imposed upon business, and this involves a lot more than simply filing accounts, then directors can be held personally liable and even end up in jail!

Secondly, they fulfil an important role in helping the business to achieve its objectives by understanding the business and helping management to anticipate and to overcome constraints.

I know that the popular image stereotypes accountants as the men, and women, who love to say NO! But at Interfleet I think we are fortunate in having an accounts team that has a 'can do' culture.

FC I'm intrigued by the second point but will you tell the court exactly what they 'can do' to help.

NW Well, if I could answer the question from another direction.

KB If you must, but ensure that you do answer the question

NW Earlier this year, Interfleet completely changed its management information system. The changeover was well planned and in the nature of these things actually went quite smoothly. However there was a period of some weeks when the usual supply of information could not be relied upon to have the high level of integrity that we need to run the business efficiently or make decisions on resource planning and progress chasing etc.

We got through this period, but not without other senior managers and myself spending an inordinate amount of time an effort trying to work out where we were, and how we were doing. Instead of getting on with the real business of management - taking the company where we want it to be.

NW then explains how Interfleet have a need for both detailed and summary information and the two time dimensions, past and future.
Referring to the diagram in the bundle.

Finally, he explains how Interfleet is embracing the concepts of the learning organisation, by sharing and centrally storing knowledge.

Andy Bell - Corporate Business Manager - National
Westminster Bank plc AB

FC asks AB to talk about the short-term outlook of the capital markets and the negative
impact that he believes this has on the long term health of British business.

AB talks about the short term outlook of the capital markets and the negative
impact that he believes this has on the long term health of British business. He refers to the practice of creative accounting and suggests that this is largely motivated by business managers who have shorter term personal goals (set to meet the expectations of shareholders) than what might strictly be best for the long term future of the organisation.

FC asks IH to briefly conclude the evidence

IH concludes for the defence referring to the 3 different time horizons of accounting: past,
present and future using the analogy of the driver's-eye view from a car.

FC asks prosecution to respond

RW counters some of the evidence and identifies some of the issues of communication and perception that have become apparent.

FC asks defence to respond

IH agrees with some of the issues identified and suggests some solutions.

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Summing up and verdict

KB then takes over management of the case from the bench and asks both sides a number of questions.

KB then sums up the evidence that he has heard and then directs the jury to consider the two charges and reminds them of their options.

Jury exits and considers verdict

Panel take questions from the floor

Jury returns and delivers verdict

KB summarises the trial and suggests both accountants and the users of information, follow a behaviour modification programme with specific recommendations to include for example.
- co-operation
- dialogue
- teamwork
- raising financial literacy
- abandonment of jargon and technical terms etc, etc.

Defence and prosecution both agree to abide by the orders

KB closes the case - approx. 8pm. back

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